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the seating. [inaudible conversations] >> and since that hearing last month lois lerner has been placed on administrative leave with the irs. we're live this morning on capitol hill as the house oversight committee is meeting on whether lois lerner waived her right to remain silent at that hearing a month ago. ms. lerner was in charge of the irs' tax-exempt organizations office. she claimed she had done nothing wrong in regards to irs targeting of conservative groups. the committee this morning will discuss whether that decision to give a statement invalidated ms. lerner's fifth amendment rights which she asserted following the statement. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> and, again, we are live on capitol hill as we await the start of this house oversight committee hearing and vote on whether lois lerner, who waived her right to remain silent at a hearing a ago of the house oversight committee, she was in charge of the irs' tax-exempt organizations office.
. a house committee voting along party lines that lois lerner waived her right to read a statement declaring her innocence before a congressional hearing last month. remember that? now she could be called back to capitol hill at any time. molly henneberg is live in washington with the latest. molly? >> hi, arthel. lois lerner's attorney, william taylor, is pushing back, saying the house oversight committee is a, quote, highly polarized forum and that lawmakers voted along straight party lines. taylor said in a statement, quote, she meaning learner, did not give up her right to refuse to testify by stating her innocence. she had requested that she not be required to appear at all and was forced against her will to invoke her rights in public. when she was forced to do that, she was entitled to say what she said. learner came before the house oversight committee on may 22 to explain what she knew and when about the irs targeting conservative groups. she spoke for two minutes and 40 seconds at the end, invoking her fifth amendment rights. but not taking any questions from lawmakers. that infuri
saying that irs official lois lerner waived her right to remain silent. ms. lerner was in charge of the irs tax exempt organization office and is now on administrative leave. >> the committee will come to order. the committee meets today to consider a resolution to determine whether lois lerner waived her fifth amendment privilege against self- incrimination when she made a voluntary opening statement during the committee's hearing that began on may 22, 2013. the clerk will designate the resolution. >> the resolution on the committee on oversight and government reform. >> without objection, the resolution will be considered as read and open for a minute at any point. the text has been distributed. i now recognize myself for an opening statement. we are here today to resolve something the united states has. did lois lerner waived her fifth amendment privilege against self-incrimination during the committee hearing that began may 22, 2013? during the hearing that began on may 22, more than five weeks ago, i tried to be exceedingly cautious. i did not make a quick or uninformed deci
republicans now paving the way to force top irs officials lois lerner to answer questions about the political targeting scandal rocking the agency. hello, everyone. welcome to brand-new hour. >> good to see you. let's get straight to it. she has been clinging to fifth amendment right to stay silent. remember that? now she could very easily be called back to the capitol hill and have to testify any time. the house oversight and reform committee perform ad resolution that declared lerner waived that fifth amendment at a hearing last month. she delivered a statement proclaiming her innocence. republican lawmakers calling her out. >> yes, she has a fifth amendment right to remain silent. she sat there and could have said nothing. we had a witness this week who did that. we had a witness this week who said nothing. she didn't. she made nine separate factual assertions and then she authenticated a document. if that is not waiver, if that is not express waiver, this is implied waiver. if it is not, then what is? >> hi, molly. >> hi. lois lerner's attorney, william taylor is pushing back. saying that
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official lois lerner waived her fifth amendment rights at a hearing in may. immigration policy in the house. later, rand paul campaigns in south carolina. >> the house oversight committee today voted along party lines to pass a resolution saying that irs official lois lerner waived her right to remain silent. ms. lerner was in charge of the irs tax exempt organization office and is now on administrative leave. >> the committee will come to order. the committee meets today to consider a resolution to determine whether lois lerner waived her fifth amendment privilege against self- incrimination when she made a voluntary opening statement during the committee's hearing that began on may 22, 2013. the clerk will designate the resolution. >> the resolution on the committee on oversight and
lerner having signed on on. >> paul: lois lerner ran that tax exempt department, she is now on suspension. let's go to z-street and they identify the agent, diane henry who told them she had been instructed to single groups like this out. the time was also strange because it occurred at time when this group was opposing some of the policies of the administration, pursuing the palestinian peace process? >> well, right. what was happening there were stories at the time that a lot of these pro israel groups are supporting west bank settlements and at the same time they are getting tax exempt status. it's'xo these cues one way or another that hey, this is opposed to the administration's policy priorities and i think it was said specifically to z street that some of the scrutiny was to see whether or not the israel groups were in lock step with the administration's policy priorities. >> paul: and we called miss gentry to see if she had any response or comment on that story and we didn't get a returned phone call. so kim, what's the ultimate vulnerability here for the administration? is vulnera
investigators by holly paz, essentially, lois lerner's deputy at the irs in washington, miss lerner and mr. miller had discussed some sort of plan to roll out the unfolding irs scandal. miss lerner knew about it at least as early at mid 2011 when according to the inspector general's report, when she was briefed on it and essentially said, we have to change these things. >> so they rolled out this phony thing where lois lerner went to the aba meeting and got a woman lawyer, who is essentially her patsy to ask fer a phony question and that phony question was about the targeting. and this is in anticipation of the i.g. report coming out in a few days. and that sort of plot was also, according to miss paz, was hatched by the director of the irs? >> well, we don't know those -- we don't know those specifics. what we do know is that miss lerner and mr. miller were talking about how to roll it out. we -- we don't know that it was going to take place at that moment in that way. but given that the i.g. report benefits to come out, they basically had a choice, you know, try to roll it out in the ult
-incrimination, most people assume you're guilty. irs bureaucrat lois lerner tried to get around that by proclaiming her innocence of wrongdoing, then refusing to talk at a congressional hearing. today, lawmakers investigating the taxation's targeting scandal denied that exemption. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel has our top story. >> the resolution finding lois lerner waived her fifth amendment privileges on may 22nd, 2013 is approved and we stand adjourned. >> reporter: the house oversight 22-17 vote along party lines found learner a key figure in targeting of conservative groups, waived that constitutional right by defending herself. >> i have not done anything wrong. i have not broken any laws. >> reporter: both then and now, former federal prosecutor, trey gowdy offered that she doesn't get to present her side and refuse to answer questions. >> mr. chairman, i have identified nine separate specific assertions made by lois lerner on may the 22nd, and that was after she asserted her right against privilege. >> reporter: the top democratic, elijah cummings tried to argue against the
to testimony given to congressional investigators, holly paz, lois lerner's assistant. ms. lerner knew about it at least as early as mid-2011, when according to the inspector general's report when she was briefed on it and essentially said we have to change these things. >> so they ruled out this phony thing, where lois lerner went to this aba meeting and got some woman lawyer, essentially her patsy to ask her a phony question, and the phony question was about the targeting, and this is all in anticipation of the report coming out in a few days and that sort of plot was also according to ms. paz, was hatched by the director of the irs? >> well, we don't know those -- we don't know those specifics. what we do know from ms. pa sfwlnz is that ms. lerner and mr. miller were talking about how to roll it out. we don't know it was going to take place at that moment in that way, but given the i.g. report was about to come out, they had a choice, roll it out in the ultimately awkward way they did, or waiting for the ig report to come down. >> here is one they missed, though. in order to hatch their p
in on our hard work. have a great weekend everybody. >> congressional leaders say irs employee lois lerner waived her fifth amendment rights and her attorney said she will not go down without a right. will she have to testify anyway? governor sarah pa lin weighs in. and we'll look at nelson mandela. we'll look at his fight to end racial discrimination and how his life parallels dr. martin luther king. and the nfl decides to punt on propoeting obama care. administration looking for high profile pitches. and the pros are not buying it. i am uma, we are live from the nation's capitol. america's news headquarters starts right now. >> and we begin with what is a dangerous heatwave that is gripping most of the western part of the nation. we are talking about triple digit temperatures and folks in death valley, california they are bracing for teches to hit 130 degrees today. that is close to a record set back 100 years ago. they are joining us live from santa monica, california where it is and cooler than death valley. dom nick? >> uma, people are taking to the ocean to coloff in santa monica bea
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not fired lois lerner. >> is she still being paid today? >> she is. >> is that your definition of accountability? >> if you would indulge me to answer the question. >> that is easy, yes or no? >> there is two stages to accountability. it's based on the facts we have now to determine who can no longer position of trust in the irs. second stage is to determine whether there was any underlying malfeasance that would warrant dismissal. we will follow the facts but we do not have completed review. >> if you don't know if there is underlying malfeasance why was skb zod resign? >> it's because of failures of management oversight. whether they were motivated.... >> they were asked to resign to restore public trust for public perception purposes? >> no, i wouldn't say that. i would say when there is a breakdown in management, when there is a gross mismayor you have to make tough decisions whether that person can hold their position of trust. >> greta: lois lerner on administrative leave but still connecting paycheck from you. is anyone at the irs being held accountable. steve forbes joi
that's been making those statements should know they are inaccurate. i just thought when lois lerner dropped that bombshell, oh, it was cincinnati's problem, she thought it would go away. but instead it exploded. lois lerner was the head of the tax exempt division who was in charge while the targeting was going on. she said the problem started with low level agents in cincinnati. lois lerner is now on paid administrative leave from the irs after she refused to resign. julie. >> has anyone gotten any word whether anyone has been fired in the wake of the scandal? >> no. lois lerner is on paid administrative leave. and former acting irs director steven miller was allowed to resign early. the investigation continues, but legal analysts say there is a reason why it's tough to fire government employees. >> thank you. >>> i think we as a society have always felt that people who work for the government, career workers, shouldn't be subject to changing political whims. so you don't want a situation where when one party comes into power, thousands and thousands of people clear out and thousand
here. lois lern lois lerner, correct me if i'm wrong, first knew about this on june 11th. >> that's kofshth. that's when she was notified of the targeting taking place. >> after consulting the treasury, consulting with the white house we didn't hear about it from her and set up questions until may 10th of 2013. >> right. also she came up with another criteria used for. some of the groups in the audience with you today got put in this dragnet because of lois lerner coming out to other organizations not just tea party groups. she basically is responsible for doing that. >> in march of 2013 doug shuman the head of the irs assured the american people in congress that this was not happening, correct? >> in fact he did that a year ago in response to questions from congress. >> may 2012. >> march 2012. >> 2012, uh-huh. that's right. >> one of the things i want to ask both of you the same question. it is puzzling to me is shulman went to the white house 157 times. his answer was i was there once for an easter egg hunt or whatever it is. nobody as i check the records to be cabinet members
. >> thank you for having us. >> sean: jay, let me start with a time here.ç? lois lerner first knew about this in june of 2011. is that right? >> that's correct. that's when she was aware of ths targeting that was taking place >> sean: after consulting with theujyñr treasury, with the whie house, we didn't hear about it o her from her until may 20th of 2013. right. and also intervening in that period of time she came up withh another criteria to have the determinations unit used for tax exemption, which actually complicated and madee it it wor. in fact, some of the groupssit sitting in the audience with you today got put in thisç dragnet because of lois lerner basically broadening out to other conservative organizations, not just tea party groups, to be in this dragnet of irs special review. she basically is responsible for doing that. >> sean: and cleta, in march of 2013, doug shulman, then the head of the irs, assured the a american people and congress this was notres happening, corr? >> yes. in fact, he did that a year ago in response to questions fromque congressman jordan and othe
it can manage funds, nothing will be given. >> lois lerner directed the cincinnati office to change the words tea party to advocacy groups. do you think this was an intentional attempt to cover up targeting? >> i don't know the answer to that question. more work needs to be done to evaluate circumstances. >> i'm told you are a decent person, so are you serious about getting to the truth? >> absolutely. >> are you serious about restoring the integrity of the irs? >> i'm serious about doing it consistent with the rule of law and procedure. >> griff jenkins trying to get more answers. >> how do you expect to get public's trust back if no one is held accountable. >> i don't want to answer questions right now. just answered two or three hours back. submit a question to the irs communications office. right now it's important to get back to the irs. i have a lot of work to do. >> why you haven't spoken to lois lerner and people like gregg roseman still have a job who refused to testify yesterday. will you ask lois lerner to come and testify as you have? >> i think -- >> the public's trust
on the zimmerman trial later on. but, when we come right back, will irs official lois lerner be forced to testify about the conservative targeting scandal? we'll have the latest and, later, lawyers for trayvon martin's family now say race is not a factor in the case. it wasn't always that way. we'll have a report coming up. >> laura: in the factor follow up segment tonight, you may remember irs senior official lois lerner took the fifth amendment when she testified before congress last month about the political targeting scandal. but today the house oversight committee voted that she waived that privilege clause because she made a brief statement before invoking the fifth amendment. the resolution finding lois lerner waived her fifth amendment provision on may 22nd, 2013 is approved. >> i'm not trying to make this more difficult than it should be. it's just that i think that when he would are dealing with -- i'm very sensitive to this constitution. because i wouldn't be here if it wasn't for it. >> lois lerner is, in fact, a poster child for thumbing her nose, a federal bureau craft thumbing her
scandal. lawmakers pass as resolution and lois lerner took the fifth amendment refusing to testify before congress. but this new resolution finds that lerner forfeited her right to remain silent. i'm heather childers. >> gregg: good afternoon to you. welcome, i'm gregg jarrett. republican congressman darrell issa is chairman of the house oversight committee that lo her her may now be called back to testify yet again. >> she stated that she had not done anything wrong, not broken any laws. not violated any irs rules or regulations and not provided false information to this or any other congressional committee regarding areas about which committee members would have liked to ask her questions. indeed, committee members are still interested in hearing from her. >> gregg: molly henneberg is live in washington with the very latest. >> molly: hi, gregg. there is no official request to appear yet. her lawyer says she was entitled to say what she said. in a statement, a party line vote does not affect anyone's constitutionality right and this one doesn't affect hers. her rights are no different n
there in florida. let me switch gears to the irs. you wanted lois lerner back before your committee. let's go back and let's listen to what she said. >> i have not done anything wrong. i have not broken any laws. i have not violated any irs rules or regulations and i have not provided false information to this or any other congressional committee. >> john: she made a statement and then promptly took the fifth amendment declining to testify which is her right. you say, congressman, the way she did she waived her fifth amendment rights. you are a former prosecutor. what do you plan to do about it? >> well, you say that is her right. it is her right to remain silent. it is not your right to offer a lot of exculpatory information and say i'm not going to be subjected to cross-examination. the right to confront witnesses and cross-examine witnesses is also in the constitution. it's in the sixth million and not the fifth. what are we going to do? i would hope that lois lerner would feel motivated to share the information she has with congress, whether a proper or limited immunity agreement. i would like
the agt's names, the letters from lois lerner. we named the complaint. those who h knowledge of or actual engagement in the unlawful acts of the irs. we have listed ten or more unknowns. until we do the discovery we're not goingo know how deep or high up it went. we're going to be amending that complaint in the next week or ten days,dding another 25 organizations and additional counts in the co some areas that we have's since learned that we're concerned about. it is a monumental undertaking. we filed a complaint that says you unlawfully targeted. normally they would say denied. how are wegoing to deny it because we attached the statements where we admitted . >> the response from lois lerner in particular, not oly an acknowledgment and admission of guilt but th an apology which compounds i would think the evidence on your behalf. it does. i mean, the fact that she made the admission and we got the inspector general's report where they acknowledge and uncover the targeting. they keep calling it targeting but targeting i a violation of the constitution. you cannot target someone based on th
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controversy now and republican led house committee voted lois lerner gave up her right to plead the 50 when the irs official gave a statement to that panel before she refused to answer questions code's vote along party lines. lawmakers could eventually vote to hold lerner in contempt of congress if she pleads the fifth again that could lead to a fine or even jail time analysts point out the sorts of punishments are pretty rare. there was that tense hearing last month soon after a watchdog agency had revealed that it targeted conservative groups for extra scrutiny. >> i have not done anything wrong i have not broken any laws. i have not violated any irs rules or regulations and i have not provided false information to this or any other congressional committee. i have decided to follow my counsel's advice amend not testify or answer any of the questions today. >> >> harris: that is what has her in the hot seat. she made a statement and then pleaded the fifth. lois lerner did not attendtoda. her attorney denies she ever waived her right to invoke the fifth amendment adding, quote: it is just
that ms. lois lerner waived in her voivity, and we are ting on the ruling of the chair. it is available format amendment. i caution never to use their five minutes. i will not limit debate. this is a markup. it is like any other markup, and i have chosen to do that so my ruling would be published and open to a vote rather than simply the procedural tapering of the chair that otherwise would happen. >> i am almost finished, thank you. on wednesday i asked every member be even the opportunity to hear directly from house counsel and pose any questions have about the legal standards and historical precedents. the chairman declined to honor my request. here's what may happen if we continue down this path. the republicans could adopt a resolution on a partisan vote. the chairman could force ms. lerner to return and director to answer questions. heard attorney will disagree with the legal basis for the resolution, and ms. lerner will continue to assert the fifth. after which the chairman could schedule a vote to hold her in content and send the entire matter to a court. after that happens, the
that irs official lois lerner waved her fifth amendment right to remain silent in the hearing on targeting conservative groups. she was in charge of the tax- exempt organizations office and is now on administrative leave. this is about one hour and 20 minutes. >> the committee will come to order. the committee meets today to consider a resolution to determine whether lois lerner waived her fifth amendment privilege against self- incrimination when she made a voluntary opening statement during the committee's hearing that began on may 22, 2013. the clerk will designate the resolution. >> the resolution on the committee on oversight and government reform. >> without objection, the resolution will be considered as read and open for a minute at anyourth amendment point. the text has been distributed. i now recognize myself for an opening statement. we are here today to resolve something the united states has. did lois lerner waived her fifth amendment privilege against self-incrimination during the committee hearing that began may 22, 2013? during the hearing that began on may 22, more than fi
of the names is lois lerner and she went in front of congress and asserted her fifth amendment right rather than give congressional testimony. but before she did that, she said she did nothing wrong. she tried to exonerate herself. low sits one who tried to break this scandal, quietly without a lot of fanfare at this legal conference back on may 10th. after dellitelling investigator wasn't going on. she tries to sneak it in in a planted kwa q & a. and she said, quote, it is the lying people that did it without talking to managers. holly paz is a washington-based irs supervisor, top deputy in the division. and that is directly contrary to what lois lerner said and lois lerner, as we can see, is directly above holly paz. she knows what holly's role is. does it raise different questions about lois's honesty? >> are you suggesting that lois lerner hasn't told the whole truth? of course. she is lying and i use that word intentionally, from the very beginning. wait she leaked the information this a coordinated q & a session she denied that was arrange bred hand. that was a lie. it was. she has no
the agency's targeting of group seeking tax exempt status. bill: lois lerner refusing to answer questions at a congressional hearing last month. she invoked the fifth. but some members say she waived those right when she made a statement declaring her innocence. >> i decided to follow my counsel's advice and not testify or answer any questions today. because i'm asserting my right not to testify i know some people will assume i have done something wrong. i have not. one of the basic functions of the amendment is to protect innocent individuals and that's the protection i'm invoking today. martha: many people feel right there she stepped over the line. no lois lerner in the meeting today but they are talking about her in there quite a bit. >> reporter: it's quite a legal clinic and intense in the room as lawmakers spar over this constitutional issue. trey gowdy, a former federal prosecutor is the one who objected when lois lerner tried to assert her fifth amendment right last month. he said she made 9 specific assertions including she did nothing wrong. >> having now considered the facts a
accountability and when they do things wrong you can't get rid of people as we have seen with lois lerner and others. >> bill: you could get rid of them. they chose not to. >> they are very difficult to get rid of it. >> bill: they agency we are starting to see a profile was terribly mismanaged. it was corrupt on almost every level. and that will be proven. what do you think of the comparisons though with watergate, mary catherine? i mean, you know, all i'm trying to say is that you start an investigation and see where it leads. tom brokaw, no, no, no. what do you think? >> you ask the questions and you keep asking the questions. you learn other other employees documents about this irs targeting not two rogue employees, you learn things like that many of these directors might have been coming from washington. lawyer teams in washington were telling them what to do. you learn more about these as we go. white house question. they do that. >> again, i said in the talking points memo quite clearly there is no evidence linking president obama. >> thank goodness i'm glad you got to that there i
and inside the hearing room, lawmakers demanding to know why lois lerner has not been fired. >> is lois lerner still being paid? >> she is. there's two stages to accountability here. the first stage is based on the facts we have now to determine who can no longer hold a position of trust within the irs. the second stage, which i know is where you're going, is to determine whether there was any underlying malfeasance or issues that would warrant dismissal. we'll follow the facts where they take us. we do not have that completed review -- >> if you don't know there's underlying malfeasance, why was somebody asked to resign? >> because it was determined they could no longer hold a position of public trust because of failures of oversight. >> so they were asked to resign just for -- to restore public trust for public perception, but or maybe political purposes? >> no, i wouldn't say that. i would say that when there's a breakdown in management, when there's gross mismanagement, you have to make tough decisions about whether that person can continue to hold their position of trust. >> greta:
and irs, lois lerner when she decided to leak herself and set up questions. the media isn't the one breaking the scandals. >>> coming up, the irs admits to overseeing of the tea party from the nation's capital. guess the rogue agent story won't hold up much longer. details next on "the five." you will never survive the running of the bulls... ( bull roar ) ...if you don't attend the running of the bulls. ole! so you can capture your receipts, ink for all business purchases. and manage them online with jot, the latest app from ink. so you can spend less time doing paperwork. and more time doing paperwork. ink from chase. so you can. why let erectile dysfunction get in your way? talk to your doctor about viagra. ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain; it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. side effects include headache, flushing, upset stomach, and abnormal vision. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than four hours. stop taking viagra and call your doctor right away if
be compelled to testify in front of congress. lois lerner said she did nothing wrong and envoked the fifth amendment and refused to answer the questions in an appearance before the house oversight committee. and now the committee run by republican darril issa voted on party lines that lerner gave up her fifth amendment right in part by her opening remarks. lerner is on leave after refusing a request to quit. the debate in washington is growing about what will happen in congress's quest for answers. will lerner be ordered to testify. and what will happen if she refuses? >> lerner's attorney put out a statement after the yesterday vote and what did it say. >> william taylor didn't think much of the vote and the house oversight committee is a highly polarized forum. taylor went on to say. a party line vote doesn't affect anyone's constitutional rights and this doesn't affect miss lerner. it is no different now than when she asserted them. she did not give up her right to testify by stating her innocence. republicans disagree and said lerner made a two minute statement and did not take questio
rogue. there is no indication. the reason that lois lerner tried to take the fifth is not because there's a rogue in cincinnati. it's because this is a problem that was coordinated in all likelihood right out of washington headquarters and we're getting to proving it. >> all right. let talk about this whole thing and how high up the food chain we can say. here now is guy benson, the political editor. media editor with the national review and our distinguished co-host of the evening aei kris visiting chancellor ed kunard. author of the book "unintended consequences." you filed a story light this afternoon on nro. you are pointing the finger at william wilkins the chief counsel of the irs, who is a political apontee. tell me about that. >> well, we don't know that wilkins will be implicated in this scandal w. dough know the more we know about the irs scandal, larry the worse it gets for them. from their original explanation that this was a couple of rogue employees in cincinnati, that has been completely exploded. first we went this one up to lois lerner in d.c. the head of the national r
questions you received a letter from ms. lois lerner, is that correct? >> yes, sir. >> ms. gerritson come you also receive letter from ms. lurie? >> yes, sir. >> and ms. kenney, you received a letter from lois lerner? no? >> in the materials i did, yes. >> anyone else received letters from lois lerner? okay. we have three witnesses are received letters from lois lerner. last week or two weeks ago mr. miller suggested that this was just confined to cincinnati but obviously we have conflicting statements there between what mr. miller said and what actually happened, and i think we need to get to the bottom of that. mr. eastman, can you name the treasury inspector general for tax administration officials whom to discuss your case with? >> not off the top of my head but i can provide that after the hearing. >> if you could provide those after the hearing i would appreciate it. do you know the league, if the leak of your tax information, if it included your organization donors, did it come from washington, d.c. or cincinnati, or do you know? >> i don't of any reasonably that came from cincinna
. thanks. >> thank you for having us. >> sean: jay, let me start with a time here.ç? lois lerner first knew about this in june of 2011. is that right? >> that's correct. that's when she was aware of ths targeting that was taking place >> sean: after consulting with theujyñr treasury, with the whie house, we didn't hear about it o her from her until may 20th of 2013. right. and also intervening in that period of time she came up withh another criteria to have the determinations unit used for tax exemption, which actually complicated and madee it it wor. in fact, some of the groupssit sitting in the audience with you today got put in thisç dragnet because of lois lerner basically broadening out to other conservative organizations, not just tea party groups, to be in this dragnet of irs special review. she basically is responsible for doing that. >> sean: and cleta, in march of 2013, doug shulman, then the head of the irs, assured the a american people and congress this was notres happening, corr? >> yes. in fact, he did that a year ago in response to questions fromque congressman jord
irs official lois lerner waved her fifth amendment rights at a scandal last month. does that mean she is going to jail or what? where is the whole food cane from the treasury into the white house? i'm waiting for that. ace reporter robert kos is that will join me with that story. please stay with us. "the kudlow report." ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] if you can't stand the heat, get off the test track. get the mercedes-benz you've been burning for at the summer event, going on now at your authorized mercedes-benz dealer. hurry, before this opportunity cools off. vo: i've always thought the best part about this country is that we get to create our future. from the treasury into the white you get to take ownership of the choices you make. the person you become. i've been around long enough to recognize the people who are out there owning it. the ones getting involved and staying engaged. they're not sitting by as their life unfolds. and they're not afraid to question the path they're on. because the one question they never want to ask is "how did i end up here?" i started schwab for th
in that investigation. that remains, stuart, the central questioner who. lois lerner and steven miller, as you pointed out, they don't seem to know where it came from. the folks in cincinnati pointing finger in the direction at folks in washington, d.c. and folks in washington, d.c. polk point pointing the finger at folks in cincinnati. the answer liars somewhere. >> three years after the events originally unfolded we have a stonewall. we still do not know who orchestrated this campaign or whether there was indeed orchestration from the top. we simply don't know. today we might get more information on three aspects of the irs scandal. number one delays in granting tax-exempt status. number two of intimidation of republican donors by use of irs audits. the number three the release of personal information from conservatives by. it will be a very personal series of testimony. martha: we've heard some of these stories here and we've had some of these folks on across the channel we have. i think this is part of the story that is going to shock the american people because they haven't heard what these folks
director lois lerner still receiving a paycheck after refusing to answer questions about the tea party bargaining scandal. if one lawmaker gets his way pleading the 5th could be very costly. one young women suing her school for $2 million over this facebook picture. we will explain. >> good morning. thank you for staying with us or joining us. it is 15 after the top of the hour. here's what you missed while you were sleeping. lois lerner pleaded the 5th and refused to answer questions about the irs's targeting of conservative groups. but a month later republican congressman mow brooks is proposing legislation that would fire any federal employee who doesn't answer questions at a congressional hearing after receiving immunity. the employee would be fired if lawmakers found the employee gave false testimony. nelson mandela took a turn for the worse. he is in critical condition at the hospital where he is being treated for a recurring lung infection. he has been there since june 8th. ainsley? >> thank you, heather. some senators are now predicting sweeping immigration reform will be passe
of them said, quote, i was furious. it looked like lois lerner was putting it on us. she called it ridiculous, she was so angry she demanded a transfer. so, jonah, this not only cant detectives lois lerner contradicts lois lerner but it contradicts the sworn testimony of shulman as well as steve miller. doesn't it also make the inspector general's report look absolutely ridiculous? because he's the one who said, no, no, no, it stopped in cincinnati. >> right, and that raises a very important point. the white house is desperate to say that the inspector general's audit, which is very different than an investigation, is all we need to know. and i'm not -- i don't think j. russell george the inspector general is guilty of anything -- any wrongdoing here, but he was just limited by what he was allowed to do and the people he interviewed had their supervisors in the room, which is why it may not be right to call these two cincinnati employees whittle blowers it may be this is the first time they actually had to tell the truth under oath without their bosses in the room, and the story
on the irs. they want to know why lois lerner is still on paid leave. bill: waits an accident or something more sinister. what caused this plane to go down several years ago. martha: the tea party patriots plan to take on capitol hill. they protesting the lack of action at the irs in light of this promise. >> if irs personnel engaged on the kind of practices reported on and intentionally targeting conservative groups then that's outrageous and there is no place for it. and they have to be held fully accountable. martha: it may be outrageous and they need to be held accountable but so far lois lerner is enjoying what we would all enjoy which is a paid summer off. sow it didn't hurt too much, at least at this point. and alan colmes, host of the talks radio. the president promised there would be accountability on this and we all know there was discrimination because only one side was targeted in this effort. so who got fired, who got laid off. >> reporter: we found out yesterday when elijah cummings released the entire transcript of what happened. before that elijah cherry picked what was goi
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